Our EU membership is like coming back home
Croats believe that with the accession to the Union, laws and rules will be respected by everybody. If you are aspiring to a club, you need to be frank with other members. It is of vital interest to us to see our neighbours join the EU after they have fulfilled the requirements.
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H.E. Ms. Danijela Barisic has been Ambassador of Croatia to Bulgaria since 2009. She graduated from the University of Split and has a degree in International Relations from the University of Zagreb. In the mid-1990s, she joined the Croatian president's staff and from 2001 to 2008 was spokesperson for the President. Ms. Barisic has been a reporter with Radio Split for a short period. She is a member of the Croatian Public Relations Association. Ms. Barisic is fluent in English, Bulgarian and Italian.
- Your Excellency, Croatia successfully closed EU negotiations and signed the accession treaty at the end of 2011 following rather lengthy talks. What major challenges were you faced with in the negotiation process?
- Indeed, talks started in October 2005 and closed in June 2011, i.e. they continued for more than five and a half years. Chapter 23: Judiciary and fundamental rights, as well as Chapter 8: Competition policy proved the most demanding. Difficulties connected to the latter stemmed from the fact that we had several shipyards, which used to receive massive state aid and this did not comply with European rules and practices. And it turned out a social rather than economic problem as they employed large numbers of people. They had to be either reorganized to be able to work properly without state aid or wound down. Judiciary chapter was a problem, like everywhere in the region, as rules had to be overhauled root and branch. Croatia, like Bulgaria, headed for the EU from a completely different system - Socialism - and it took us several years to turn it into democracy and market economy combined with respect for human rights. Additionally, we have lived through a war, which stalled us even more. We had to deal with all these issues but I think at the end of the day we have been successful.
- You did it at the time when the EU sank into a severe crisis triggered by debt problems in the Eurozone. How did the Croatian authorities manage to sway the country's citizens to support EU membership in the referendum in January?
- The government did not actually have to talk Croats into casting a positive vote in the poll. We have always felt a part of Europe and EU membership for us is like coming home. We must note that EU accession has been a priority for all our governments since the country declared its independence in 1992. We are so closely tied together with Europe, both economically and historically, that we have always felt we belong with it. And then, surveys ahead of the January referendum were telling. Asked why they want to be part of the EU, most Croats responded that with the accession to the Union, laws and rules will be respected by everybody and quality of education, as well as environment protection, will be improved. Economic reasons were rated fourth. People believe that as we become part of the European family, rules will be the same for everybody and those who work will profit.
- What moves is Croatia going to make to ensure its EU membership as of 1 July 2013? First, it has to go through a lengthy ratification process and monitoring, which is not sure to go smoothly.
- We have to go through the well known annual and interim progress reports. We, however, are candid with our partners and disclose everything to them. If you are aspiring to a club, you need to be frank with other members. This is no problem for us at all. When we launched the accession negotiation process, we said that we were not doing all the really painful reforms for Brussels but rather for our own sake. Simply because we want our citizens to live well. And this is exactly why we are trying to show to our partners what we have achieved without embroidering the truth. We have undertaken commitments, and here come the results. I do not think we will have any problems with the ratification of the treaty by the other 27 Member States. (Bulgaria ratified Croatia'a accession treaty on 17 February, first among all Member States. The interview was taken few days earlier - editor's note). We have come, as I have said, a long way of strenuous negotiations, which, at the end of the day, proved beneficial.
- Still, could Croatia have joined the EU earlier, for instance, in 2004 or 2007, concurrently with other countries of the former Soviet bloc?
- We have a proverb that says it is easy to be a general after the end of a war. I guess you have yours with a similar meaning. History cannot be changed. In the aftermath of what has happened over the past twenty years or so, we will become a full EU Member in 2013. It is useless to look back and ask if we could have or couldn't have. We started the negotiations in 2005 when Bulgaria, for instance, closed them. Moreover, the EU had its difficulties in drawing up and ratifying the Lisbon Treaty. In other words, we were out of luck. But on the other hand, when you have struggled to achieve something, you are going to have an easier time later.
- What changes do you, personally, expect in Croatia after it joins the EU?
- It is essential for people to learn to respect laws, just as they do in the so called "old" Member States of the EU. The system is the same for everybody and rules must not be bent. There were people in Croatia who thought they could bend rules believing it would give them a better chance. When, however, there is a sturdy system and explicit rules, things change. Furthermore, EU accession should have a positive impact on economy, too, as membership sets clear goals and deadlines for their achievement. We still need to brace ourselves and pull through the hard times, so that it will be easier for us later.
- Are, though, Croats willing to tighten their belts for the sake of prosperity in the future?
- Yes, they are, provided they have a plain schedule and clear goals. We can live with having a hard time so that we live a better life in a few years. What is important is to have a strategy how to attain the set objectives.
- Even under Franjo Tudjman, Croatia was accused of extensive high-level government corruption. Former prime minister Ivo Sanader is on trial. How are these problems dealt with?
- It is easy. We have decided that nobody is immune and we are all equal before the law. Laws are written for each of us and we have to respect them. There has been strong political will to deal with these problems and I believe we are doing quite well. There, a former prime minister has been detained. Now he has been released on bail and his trial is pending. A former deputy prime minister (Damir Polancec - editor's note) has already been convicted. For years, media in Croatia constantly wrote about some corruption cases but nothing came out of it. Then, 3-4 years ago, there was finally the political will to fight this problem. And thus, planned judiciary reforms turned into reality and this has been noticed by our European partners. Now, there is no way back. People have seen that those who do not abide by the law but design and develop corruption schemes are taken to court, so they started to believe the change has come.
- Have you settled the disputes, mainly on the border, with Slovenia, which were a substantial stumbling block during the accession talks?
- Yes, the disputes have been settled. We have signed an agreement, under which we referred the issue to a court of arbitration, which will set the border. The dispute was brought back from the political stage to where it belongs - the legal one. Whatever the court decides, we will accept.
- Have the wounds of the war in the 1990s healed?
- When you enter Croatia, you will see no signs of the war. Buildings and roads have been completely reconstructed, but people affected by the war will carry scars on their hearts till the end of their lives. Nevertheless, we decided to put the war behind as life goes on and we must maintain normal relations with all our neighbours. Hard as it is, we are coping because one cannot live in history. One must live in the future. Lawsuits against war criminals regardless of their origin and the fact that those who have done evil have been brought to punishment significantly helped us make this step. We have rebuilt the houses damaged in the war irrespective of whom they belonged to, hoping their owners will return to their birthplaces. The process is slow, as due to the economic downturn, there are not enough jobs right now, but we believe that things will change in the future.
- In this regard, how is Croatia going to solve its economic issues? It is a fact the country is currently struggling.
- We have taken a number of unpopular, yet urgent measures. For example, we have raised VAT to 25% from 23%. We have made a start but we have yet to extend and carry through reforms in administration, to reduce the number of clerks, transferring people to industry and retail, to slash the government budget deficit. We are also facing challenging negotiations with the unions over curbing some social benefits such as the right to some compensations and a 13th month salary among others.
- What is happening in the area of privatization?
- We have made a crucial mistake, carrying out privatization amidst war and it mostly failed to be done in a transparent way. And this is exactly why a few years ago when we were changing the constitution, we decided that there will be no time-limit in cases related to wartime profiteering. So, any privatization deal that there is a suspicion of being improper or illegal will be reviewed. We have many cases when during the war, the new owners fired all workers and sold the sites.
- How will Croatia, after it joins the EU, work with the other former Yugoslav countries, which are still candidates?
- The issues we still have are bilateral but we are making every effort to overcome them. It is of vital interest to us to see our neighbours join the EU after they have fulfilled the requirements. A year ago, we even gave them all documents necessary for EU membership in Croatian so that they do not have to translate them again. We will work with our neighbours under some regional programmes as in politics, like in real life, it is good to have a neighbour in good health and without problems. Looking at Europe's map, we see an area in the middle of the EU, still not a member of the Union. It will be good to have this area join the Union. And this will be territorial consolidation rather than enlargement. The Western Balkans cannot remain some grey spot on Europe's map.
- How, in particular, is Croatia going to work with Bosnia and Herzegovina, which is the biggest pressure point in the region?
- Bosnia must resolve its problems on its own and we are ready to offer help in anything they need, as Croats there are a constitutive population. We are willing to help Bosnia and Herzegovina not as a teacher who is offering guidance, but as a partner who is offering a hand together with other EU Member States and the international community.
- How has Bulgaria helped Croatia on its way to EU membership?
- You have helped us by being candid with us. You pointed the mistakes you had made and thus protected us from making the same mistakes. It is easier to talk to somebody who has been through the same problems as you.
- Croatia has one of the most striking seaside areas in Europe. How has Croatian tourism developed after the war?
- We have taken great care not to overbuild the seaside with hotels and houses in order to keep and preserve indeed this Adriatic pearl. Meanwhile, we have built good infrastructure - highways from the Serbian, Hungarian and Slovenian border to the seaside. We have also tried to make it easier for tourists from remote destinations such as Japan and the US to reach our country, after all, reaching Croatia from Europe by car is simple. As a result, despite the economic crisis 2011 saw an increase of 10% in the number of tourists to some 9 million against 2010. And this is a huge number, taking into account the fact that Croatia has a population of 4.5 million. We have yet to estimate the profit. We are also trying to develop the interior as a tourist destination. We do not have good ski resorts but what we do have are 8 national parks and many places suitable for rural and environmental tourism.
Our EU membership is like coming back home
Croats believe that with the accession to the Union, laws and rules will be respected by everybody. If you are aspiring to a club, you need to be frank with other members. It is of vital interest to us to see our neighbours join the EU after they have fulfilled the requirements.
Close-up:
H.E. Ms. Danijela Barisic has been Ambassador of Croatia to Bulgaria since 2009. She graduated from the University of Split and has a degree in International Relations from the University of Zagreb. In the mid-1990s, she joined the Croatian president's staff and from 2001 to 2008 was spokesperson for the President. Ms. Barisic has been a reporter with Radio Split for a short period. She is a member of the Croatian Public Relations Association. Ms. Barisic is fluent in English, Bulgarian and Italian.
- Your Excellency, Croatia successfully closed EU negotiations and signed the accession treaty at the end of 2011 following rather lengthy talks. What major challenges were you faced with in the negotiation process?
- Indeed, talks started in October 2005 and closed in June 2011, i.e. they continued for more than five and a half years. Chapter 23: Judiciary and fundamental rights, as well as Chapter 8: Competition policy proved the most demanding. Difficulties connected to the latter stemmed from the fact that we had several shipyards, which used to receive massive state aid and this did not comply with European rules and practices. And it turned out a social rather than economic problem as they employed large numbers of people. They had to be either reorganized to be able to work properly without state aid or wound down. Judiciary chapter was a problem, like everywhere in the region, as rules had to be overhauled root and branch. Croatia, like Bulgaria, headed for the EU from a completely different system - Socialism - and it took us several years to turn it into democracy and market economy combined with respect for human rights. Additionally, we have lived through a war, which stalled us even more. We had to deal with all these issues but I think at the end of the day we have been successful.
- You did it at the time when the EU sank into a severe crisis triggered by debt problems in the Eurozone. How did the Croatian authorities manage to sway the country's citizens to support EU membership in the referendum in January?
- The government did not actually have to talk Croats into casting a positive vote in the poll. We have always felt a part of Europe and EU membership for us is like coming home. We must note that EU accession has been a priority for all our governments since the country declared its independence in 1992. We are so closely tied together with Europe, both economically and historically, that we have always felt we belong with it. And then, surveys ahead of the January referendum were telling. Asked why they want to be part of the EU, most Croats responded that with the accession to the Union, laws and rules will be respected by everybody and quality of education, as well as environment protection, will be improved. Economic reasons were rated fourth. People believe that as we become part of the European family, rules will be the same for everybody and those who work will profit.
- What moves is Croatia going to make to ensure its EU membership as of 1 July 2013? First, it has to go through a lengthy ratification process and monitoring, which is not sure to go smoothly.
- We have to go through the well known annual and interim progress reports. We, however, are candid with our partners and disclose everything to them. If you are aspiring to a club, you need to be frank with other members. This is no problem for us at all. When we launched the accession negotiation process, we said that we were not doing all the really painful reforms for Brussels but rather for our own sake. Simply because we want our citizens to live well. And this is exactly why we are trying to show to our partners what we have achieved without embroidering the truth. We have undertaken commitments, and here come the results. I do not think we will have any problems with the ratification of the treaty by the other 27 Member States. (Bulgaria ratified Croatia'a accession treaty on 17 February, first among all Member States. The interview was taken few days earlier - editor's note). We have come, as I have said, a long way of strenuous negotiations, which, at the end of the day, proved beneficial.
- Still, could Croatia have joined the EU earlier, for instance, in 2004 or 2007, concurrently with other countries of the former Soviet bloc?
- We have a proverb that says it is easy to be a general after the end of a war. I guess you have yours with a similar meaning. History cannot be changed. In the aftermath of what has happened over the past twenty years or so, we will become a full EU Member in 2013. It is useless to look back and ask if we could have or couldn't have. We started the negotiations in 2005 when Bulgaria, for instance, closed them. Moreover, the EU had its difficulties in drawing up and ratifying the Lisbon Treaty. In other words, we were out of luck. But on the other hand, when you have struggled to achieve something, you are going to have an easier time later.
- What changes do you, personally, expect in Croatia after it joins the EU?
- It is essential for people to learn to respect laws, just as they do in the so called "old" Member States of the EU. The system is the same for everybody and rules must not be bent. There were people in Croatia who thought they could bend rules believing it would give them a better chance. When, however, there is a sturdy system and explicit rules, things change. Furthermore, EU accession should have a positive impact on economy, too, as membership sets clear goals and deadlines for their achievement. We still need to brace ourselves and pull through the hard times, so that it will be easier for us later.
- Are, though, Croats willing to tighten their belts for the sake of prosperity in the future?
- Yes, they are, provided they have a plain schedule and clear goals. We can live with having a hard time so that we live a better life in a few years. What is important is to have a strategy how to attain the set objectives.
- Even under Franjo Tudjman, Croatia was accused of extensive high-level government corruption. Former prime minister Ivo Sanader is on trial. How are these problems dealt with?
- It is easy. We have decided that nobody is immune and we are all equal before the law. Laws are written for each of us and we have to respect them. There has been strong political will to deal with these problems and I believe we are doing quite well. There, a former prime minister has been detained. Now he has been released on bail and his trial is pending. A former deputy prime minister (Damir Polancec - editor's note) has already been convicted. For years, media in Croatia constantly wrote about some corruption cases but nothing came out of it. Then, 3-4 years ago, there was finally the political will to fight this problem. And thus, planned judiciary reforms turned into reality and this has been noticed by our European partners. Now, there is no way back. People have seen that those who do not abide by the law but design and develop corruption schemes are taken to court, so they started to believe the change has come.
- Have you settled the disputes, mainly on the border, with Slovenia, which were a substantial stumbling block during the accession talks?
- Yes, the disputes have been settled. We have signed an agreement, under which we referred the issue to a court of arbitration, which will set the border. The dispute was brought back from the political stage to where it belongs - the legal one. Whatever the court decides, we will accept.
- Have the wounds of the war in the 1990s healed?
- When you enter Croatia, you will see no signs of the war. Buildings and roads have been completely reconstructed, but people affected by the war will carry scars on their hearts till the end of their lives. Nevertheless, we decided to put the war behind as life goes on and we must maintain normal relations with all our neighbours. Hard as it is, we are coping because one cannot live in history. One must live in the future. Lawsuits against war criminals regardless of their origin and the fact that those who have done evil have been brought to punishment significantly helped us make this step. We have rebuilt the houses damaged in the war irrespective of whom they belonged to, hoping their owners will return to their birthplaces. The process is slow, as due to the economic downturn, there are not enough jobs right now, but we believe that things will change in the future.
- In this regard, how is Croatia going to solve its economic issues? It is a fact the country is currently struggling.
- We have taken a number of unpopular, yet urgent measures. For example, we have raised VAT to 25% from 23%. We have made a start but we have yet to extend and carry through reforms in administration, to reduce the number of clerks, transferring people to industry and retail, to slash the government budget deficit. We are also facing challenging negotiations with the unions over curbing some social benefits such as the right to some compensations and a 13th month salary among others.
- What is happening in the area of privatization?
- We have made a crucial mistake, carrying out privatization amidst war and it mostly failed to be done in a transparent way. And this is exactly why a few years ago when we were changing the constitution, we decided that there will be no time-limit in cases related to wartime profiteering. So, any privatization deal that there is a suspicion of being improper or illegal will be reviewed. We have many cases when during the war, the new owners fired all workers and sold the sites.
- How will Croatia, after it joins the EU, work with the other former Yugoslav countries, which are still candidates?
- The issues we still have are bilateral but we are making every effort to overcome them. It is of vital interest to us to see our neighbours join the EU after they have fulfilled the requirements. A year ago, we even gave them all documents necessary for EU membership in Croatian so that they do not have to translate them again. We will work with our neighbours under some regional programmes as in politics, like in real life, it is good to have a neighbour in good health and without problems. Looking at Europe's map, we see an area in the middle of the EU, still not a member of the Union. It will be good to have this area join the Union. And this will be territorial consolidation rather than enlargement. The Western Balkans cannot remain some grey spot on Europe's map.
- How, in particular, is Croatia going to work with Bosnia and Herzegovina, which is the biggest pressure point in the region?
- Bosnia must resolve its problems on its own and we are ready to offer help in anything they need, as Croats there are a constitutive population. We are willing to help Bosnia and Herzegovina not as a teacher who is offering guidance, but as a partner who is offering a hand together with other EU Member States and the international community.
- How has Bulgaria helped Croatia on its way to EU membership?
- You have helped us by being candid with us. You pointed the mistakes you had made and thus protected us from making the same mistakes. It is easier to talk to somebody who has been through the same problems as you.
- Croatia has one of the most striking seaside areas in Europe. How has Croatian tourism developed after the war?
- We have taken great care not to overbuild the seaside with hotels and houses in order to keep and preserve indeed this Adriatic pearl. Meanwhile, we have built good infrastructure - highways from the Serbian, Hungarian and Slovenian border to the seaside. We have also tried to make it easier for tourists from remote destinations such as Japan and the US to reach our country, after all, reaching Croatia from Europe by car is simple. As a result, despite the economic crisis 2011 saw an increase of 10% in the number of tourists to some 9 million against 2010. And this is a huge number, taking into account the fact that Croatia has a population of 4.5 million. We have yet to estimate the profit. We are also trying to develop the interior as a tourist destination. We do not have good ski resorts but what we do have are 8 national parks and many places suitable for rural and environmental tourism.
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